Let's talk about science, baby!

In case you've been living under a rock, there have been a lot of discussions here recently about approaches to diet and "the science", or lack thereof, to support or disprove each approach. The problem is that a lot of people are making claims and saying those claims are supported by "science", when that isn't quite the case. This isn't limited to one side of the CICO/keto battle; it's on both sides, and in fact, it's going far beyond the CICO/keto battle and showing up in other areas also.

I think it's important to establish that people are not lying, and they're not wrong, exactly, but there's a good deal of misunderstanding and misrepresentation going on here about what scientific studies are, what they do and do not tell us, and where we're actually at in regards to understanding metabolism and nutrition.

Yesterday someone suggested I put something together in my own journal about this so I could cite links better, and since this is kinda my thing, I'm actually really excited to nerd out a bit in front of you. I have realized that this is going to be too much for one post though, so I'm going to break it up over a couple days.

For my fellow science geeks, be aware I'm going to be breaking this down as best I can to an ELI5 level. Some of things I say may not be *as* correct as they could be, so try to understand that I don't really have the time or space to build the proper schema for everyone, and I'm doing my best to work with schemas most people will already possess and understand. That being said, please feel free to call me out on anything you think you can explain better on an ELI5 level within the existing schemas.

Today, we're gonna start with scientific studies and how to tell if the study being cited actually supports what a person is claiming. In other terms, do they have a "valid argument"?

Do you remember sometime in grade or middle school, you had to take a sort of logic test? The problems would look something like this:

True or False - If all Bloops are Bleeps and all Bleeps are Blarghs, then all Bloops must be Blarghs.

This one's pretty easy to identify as true, or "valid". But can we say from this information that all Blarghs are Bloops? Can we say that all Blarghs are Bleeps? Can we say that all Bleeps are Bloops? No, we can't. And this is where we're currently running into problems with the discussions were having on FS. People are taking a study that says "All Bloops are Bleeps" and claiming it supports the argument that "All Bleeps are Bloops". But it doesn't work like this. This is called a "logical fallacy".

Now, if you've fallen into this trap I want to be very clear about two things - *YOU ARE NOT STUPID* and *THIS MOST LIKELY WASN'T YOUR FAULT*. Let me explain...

Imagine if while you were in school you never learned that a rectangle must have 4 sides of equal length to be called a square. You learned that all squares have 4 sides and that they all have 90 degree angles. You also learned about rectangles and how they too have 4 sides and 90 degree angles. You also learned that all squares are rectangles, but for whatever reason, the fact that a rectangle must have 4 sides *of equal length* to be a square was considered "advanced" learning and wasn't taught to you before you left school. That doesn't make you stupid.

Now imagine if someone figured out they could make money by using that gap in your knowledge to convince you that all rectangles are squares... They remind you how you already learned all this stuff in school, tell you that that's all you need to know or neglect to tell differently, and they use the gap in your knowledge against you to lead you to a false conclusion. See? It's not your fault, either.

Tomorrow I'm going to look at a couple studies I've seen cited on here and point out how valid findings are being used to present and support false conclusions. And I'll also break those studies down a bit to make it clear what the "sound" conclusions were.

If you want to read more about logical reasoning and all the ways people try to take advantage of you by inserting false premises or invalid arguments in a conversation, check out http://rintintin.colorado.edu/~vancecd/phil1440/invalidity.pdf and also http://rintintin.colorado.edu/~vancecd/phil1440/invalid.pdf

Thanks for reading!

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I enjoyed that immensely. I had a heard time hanging in there with the Bloops and bleeps thingy, but I get how the logical fallacy argument works. Well written.  
2018年 06月 7日 投稿者: adamevegod1
I think people need to be mindful that what works for some might not work for all. Not just nutritionally but with our life styles and preferences. No one can stick to a diet they hate, even if it's technically good for their bodies. We can help each other but we can't be dogmatic with other people's approaches.  
2018年 06月 7日 投稿者: Swakee
Nice post! Go Square! 
2018年 06月 7日 投稿者: jeannieselby
Wow - thanks for the hard work to put this together. I'll look for the next episode.  
2018年 06月 7日 投稿者: tahoebrun
I was raised by a advertising man so I am always looking to see what someone is trying to sell me. I like your logical fallacy description very much. well said, Thank you! 
2018年 06月 7日 投稿者: Little Red Fox
This is a good start. Still not convinced that this isn't going to make the whole reaching your body composition goals more complicated than needed but I'll try to keep an open mind, lol. 
2018年 06月 7日 投稿者: -Diablo
Cool! I am interested for the next installment! 
2018年 06月 7日 投稿者: jengetfit123
That's all I'm asking for Diablo! I think you might be surprised how simple this breaks down in the end. 
2018年 06月 7日 投稿者: Toumina
Toumina, you rock! Looking forward to the next installment! 
2018年 06月 7日 投稿者: Melete
My full time study for near 18 months lead me to a very simple summary. Eat only what the body really needs: Nutrition rich Fat and Protein. Eat small meals often during the first 6-8 hours of the day.  
2018年 06月 7日 投稿者: Diddlee
Thank you so much for putting so much energy into your posts. Looking forward to the coming installments. 
2018年 06月 7日 投稿者: MyBelleAmie
his is good stuff; looking forward to the next installment. 
2018年 06月 8日 投稿者: Terrapin12
Waiting on your next post!  
2018年 06月 8日 投稿者: @philrmcknight
Great info. Thanks 
2018年 06月 8日 投稿者: eatolive4life
Thank you for your patience, folks! Had a busy day at work and have plans for tonight. It may be tomorrow before I get the follow up posted. :) 
2018年 06月 8日 投稿者: Toumina

     
 

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